cocaiine Report post Posted June 14, 2018 Remove slow effect from stinger please. Its utterly useless becouse u can use paralyze + it removes bt from target wich is stupid imo. P.S buff blizzard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HateBreeder Report post Posted June 14, 2018 yeah the slow effect is kinda pointless. and buff blizzard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keke8929 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 100% Disagree. Ice Stinger is a extremely valuble Blue mage skill, just because you don't utilize it well it doesn't mean its a bad skill. Blizzard is fine lol. BM doesn't need any buffs. You will see this shortly when I level mine up lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocaiine Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Crows slow effect got changed becouse of this problem. Why shouldnt stinger? I didnt say that stinger is bad.. its very good trans skill and sometimes only way to kill enemy in a fight. Problem here i'm talking about is stinger applying slow effect and removing debuff from target. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HateBreeder Report post Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) It just seems a bit silly how BMs own skill works so that it removes the most important debuff from the target. Yeah sure it makes it harder to time properly in a combo but that just feels like a clunky way to balance a skill. Also the slow seems kind of pointless because of paralyze existing... aside from of course making the skill harder to use. also buff blizzard Edited June 15, 2018 by HateBreeder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IKuPAI Report post Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, keke8929 said: 100% Disagree. Ice Stinger is a extremely valuble Blue mage skill, just because you don't utilize it well it doesn't mean its a bad skill. Blizzard is fine lol. BM doesn't need any buffs. You will see this shortly when I level mine up lol. typical... 7 hours ago, cocaiine said: Crows slow effect got changed becouse of this problem. Why shouldnt stinger? I didnt say that stinger is bad.. its very good trans skill and sometimes only way to kill enemy in a fight. Problem here i'm talking about is stinger applying slow effect and removing debuff from target. 1,000% agree. 1 hour ago, HateBreeder said: It just seems a bit silly how BMs own skill works so that it removes the most important debuff from the target. Yeah sure it makes it harder to time properly in a combo but that just feels like a clunky way to balance a skill. Also the slow seems kind of pointless because of paralyze existing... aside from of course making the skill harder to use. also buff blizzard 9,001% agree... This game isn't the game it used to be where everyone makes a redmage for farming, or simply doesn't care that blue mage is bad in PvE... We're in a new era where it is incredibly ineffective to let the most viable class run around in PvE zones like it's level 33... SOMETHING should be done about blizzard. This is... topic #5? during season 3 concerned about blizzard... Edited June 15, 2018 by IKuPAI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ivmich300 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 it doesnt even need a ap buff just make it hit more or faster casting a blue mage has 0 pve a blade or fist can do more damage lol ya a blue mage can lure faster but that blizzard takes alot to kill anything also I agree ice stinger shouldn't remove black touch regardless if you can or can not stack it to land at the very end of a combo wide fury doesn't remove red touch why should ice stinger or is the logic to use ice stinger only to slow them down when they run Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kekelordz Report post Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) If ice stinger doesnt remove black touch, its overpowered instant lol. Heavy slow for 30+ seconds while blacktouched? ok lol. Edited June 15, 2018 by kekelordz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IKuPAI Report post Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, kekelordz said: If ice stinger doesnt remove black touch, its overpowered instant lol. Heavy slow for 30+ seconds while blacktouched? ok lol. You weren't reading, but that's ok... We don't need ur vomit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ivmich300 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, kekelordz said: If ice stinger doesnt remove black touch, its overpowered instant lol. Heavy slow for 30+ seconds while blacktouched? ok lol. as everyone has said prior to your failure to understand and read the slow would be removed it wouldn't slow if black touch is applied if he can make it work for the crow I'm positive he can make it work for ice stinger no one asked for slow and keep black touch or we would of asked for the crow to stack with black touch..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keke8929 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) Ice stinger is a very strong skill and does not need any buffs. lol very simple. Also if ur asking for Ice stinger to not apply slow when casted on a target which is Black Touched, is actually a nerf to the skill's utility value and diverse use. Stop crying about X skill when u are using it only as a damage source. Edited June 15, 2018 by keke8929 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IKuPAI Report post Posted June 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, keke8929 said: Ice stinger is a very strong skill and does not need any buffs. lol very simple. Also if ur asking for Ice stinger to not apply slow when casted on a target which is Black Touched, is actually a nerf to the skill's utility value and diverse use. Stop crying about X skill when u are using it only as a damage source. Isn't it strange that a group of people would ask for a nurf to their own class? Yet... Someone who knows so much about the game, has never played the class in discussion in this version, and is behind 90% of ALL changes in the game can't comprehend that this is crippling black mages? Why even go black with a rm on your side? Even better... Why get trans skills when 2/3 of them override 43 levels worth of points? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keke8929 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 I have had a 300 BM and a 297 BM on Tri server. PKed a lot on Dresden's 300 BM on Season2. Played a 200 BM Season1 on duan, and am now building a 300 BM On season3. There is absolutely no reason to change anything on mages currently lol. Dont go black with RM on your side? Wtf lmao. Trans skills override Black Touch because they are utility skills that have POTENTIAL to be used for damage, but mainly they are for utility and teamplay heavy nukes, or heavy aoe combos. Mages are fine stop crying for buffs on every possible aspect of them when there is no issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IKuPAI Report post Posted June 15, 2018 As you yourself observed... This isn't a buff, it's a nurf. Also, poison arrow is utility? (50% hp per tick) Death hand is utility? (5k flat damage) Wide fury is utility? (10k flat damage) Ice stinger (same as wide fury, with an unfair HEAVY slow) is utility... Also, winter restriction... (Aoe death hand) also has an unfair HEAVY slow.... But that's also a utility skill. Why do you think only your suggestions deserve implementation? Do you hold a record or something? Trying to be "the only person to help fix turf battles" 5 players on this thread, 1 is against... I'm just curious what u have to pay ur tribe not to post that they agree... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keke8929 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Ok yes I agree please buff blue mage ( im making one right now) . Please give me old desau back and add ice stinger stack with black touch /s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IKuPAI Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Nobody said let stinger's damage be affected by black touch... It's flat damage. Why do you insist on commenting on a class you've NEVER PLAYED?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keke8929 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) Quote I have had a 300 BM and a 297 BM on Tri server. PKed a lot on Dresden's 300 BM on Season2. Played a 200 BM Season1 on duan, and am now building a 300 BM On season3. Im saying IF STINGER DOES NOT REMOVE BT = too strong IF STINGER STACKS WITH BT = COMPLETELEY OVERPOWERED. Edited June 15, 2018 by keke8929 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IKuPAI Report post Posted June 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, keke8929 said: Im saying IF STINGER DOES NOT REMOVE BT = too strong IF STINGER STACKS WITH BT = COMPLETELEY OVERPOWERED. If stinger removes bt, it's underpowered... Compounded underpowered... U have a rm with u and they will flip their wig if you cancel bt with a slow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keke8929 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, IKuPAI said: If stinger removes bt, it's underpowered... Compounded underpowered... U have a rm with u and they will flip their wig if you cancel bt with a slow... Or you just re-cast BT instantly after stinger? Lol.¸ Its not underpowered currently at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IKuPAI Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Pretty sure paralyze has certain properties on it that are indistinguishable from crow... Meaning (i Haven't tested this since crow was given back seat to black touch) but I'm pretty sure wr and ice stinger has to wear off for the player to be susceptible to black touch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keke8929 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Crow , lower duration. Low proc rate. And weaker slow. And it comes from a specific weapon. Ice stinger, pop. 100% application, hardcore slow, LONG AS FCK DEBUFF. Yeah lets add blacktouch ontop of it please. LMAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ivmich300 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 Just now, keke8929 said: Crow , lower duration. Low proc rate. And weaker slow. And it comes from a specific weapon. Ice stinger, pop. 100% application, hardcore slow, LONG AS FCK DEBUFF. Yeah lets add blacktouch ontop of it please. LMAO last time I'm saying this. we don't want that we are simply asking for slow to not be a fucking thing just 10k flat only reason to use it as a (utility) as you say is to use it on someone cause they are running to fast. right now stinger is mainly used for the 10k flat praying it kills the target . so 1 last time not stack just get rid of slow if target is already under black touch that's all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IKuPAI Report post Posted June 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, ivmich300 said: last time I'm saying this. we don't want that we are simply asking for slow to not be a fucking thing just 10k flat only reason to use it as a (utility) as you say is to use it on someone cause they are running to fast. right now stinger is mainly used for the 10k flat praying it kills the target . so 1 last time not stack just get rid of slow if target is already under black touch that's all Hell, just do the same as crow... Let bt persist through wr/stinger... Now he can have his stupid utility and everyone else will use gnome... Err... Black touch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HateBreeder Report post Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) Well this turned into a shitstorm. What I was saying the way it works is boring/clunky since we already have slows on paralyze. There could be other ways to change and balance it instead of just removing the slow. Also im just saying buff blizzard half as a joke but hey I wouldnt mind farming a bit faster on bm Edited June 15, 2018 by HateBreeder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keke8929 Report post Posted June 15, 2018 A 20 second paralyze or a 60second ice stinger debuff which is stronger slow and attackspeed slow.....quite a big difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
